A chat with Liquidware – World of EUC

We are back again this time with co-host Patrick Coble joining Jarian Gibson to talk with James O’Regan, Product Marketing Manager and Community Lead at Liquidware. Liquidware is a founding partner of the World of EUC. In this podcast we talked about all things going on with Liquidware.

In this podcast we had the pleasure of talking with James from Liquidware about:

About James and what he does at Liquidware.
An overview of Liquidware and what they do in the EUC space.
FlexApp One secure intelligent context-aware application delivery.
Liquidware’s digital workspace management and going beyond DEX.
CommandCTRL and how customers are using it.
How Liquidware can ease the pain of Windows 10 migrations.
ProfileUnity integrations with Imprivata, Microsoft AVD, auto-migration to Windows 11, and other integrations.
FlexApp integrations with Microsoft, Citrix, etc., along with other integrations.
Stratusphere UX integrations with ServiceNow, Microsoft Power BI, and other integrations. Also, how partners are using it for assessments and migrations.
Customer use case stories and how Liquidware has helped them.
Thoughts on the EUC community.
Where Liquidware will be at for upcoming events in the EUC community.

Thanks to Patrick for being our co-host! Thank you to James for joining us to have a chat about Liquidware. Thank you Liquidware for supporting the community!

You can find more information about Liquidware on their ⁠⁠website⁠⁠. To join the Liquidware community, sign up for their ⁠Slack⁠⁠⁠⁠.

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Jarian Gibson, Frontline Chatter Host:
Good day and welcome to the Frontline Chatter podcast, brought to you by the World of EUC. I am your host, Jarian Gibson, and I am back today with my co-host Patrick Coble. How are you doing today, Patrick?

Patrick Coble, Frontline Chatter Co-Host:
Doing good. How is everybody out in the world? Hopefully everybody is having a fun day, wherever you are.

Jarian Gibson:
Yeah. It's Wednesday. The storms have kind of rolled through here. I don't know if they're coming your way.

Patrick Coble:
They are. Sharing is caring is what you've always told me. So you're sharing your tornadoes and hell and crazy rain and wind. So thank you.

Jarian Gibson:
Nothing too major here, though. Just, there were some tornado tornado warnings up north. We got some heavy rain this early this morning and a little bit of hail, but nothing too bad. There's some branches down, but nothing. Nothing out of the normal. So.

Patrick Coble:
Fingers crossed.

Jarian Gibson:
Yeah. Hopefully, your way doesn't get anything big either. So hopefully it's just rain. But, we're here with one of our founding partners, and they jumped on very early. So thank you to Liquidware. And we are joined by James O'Regan from Liquidware. So how are you doing today, James?

James O'Regan, Liquidware:
I'm good. I'm glad the weather is a bit different for me than you. So it's a lovely sunny day here in Dublin. You can't see it because obviously of the blind because, you know, sunshine and podcasts don't really go together. So. So, yeah, it's a lovely sunny day here in Dublin. I'm very glad to not have any of the kind of stormy conditions you guys are dealing with. But yeah, I'm. I'm really. Well.

Jarian Gibson:
Yeah, I'll have to get back over there. I remember years ago I came over there with my wife to E2EVC over there.

James O'Regan:
I remember it.

Jarian Gibson:
Yeah, that was fun.

James O'Regan:
Yeah, yeah, we had a great time. Yeah. Great time.

Jarian Gibson:
Nice dinner out. Yeah. The sunlight being that late, though, but, I always want to come back. And she's already mentioned that trip, too, so she wants to come back there as well for a trip.

Patrick Coble:
Yeah. Make it happen now. Done.

James O'Regan:
Yeah. Well, we we had the we had the clocks go forward at the weekend. So, the sun, you know, daylight is even longer now, so. Yeah, it doesn't get dark till like six, maybe 7 p.m.. So it's really nice. So and it's not raining, so it's great. So, you know, just in case anyone didn't figure it out, I'm based in Dublin in Ireland, you know, so most people's preconceptions are it rains here all the time. It's not raining today. So.

Patrick Coble:
Yeah. So.

Jarian Gibson:
I don't think it rains at all. When we were over there I think it was nice and sunny. It was, you know, it was really nice weather because we had that big event on top of that hill, way up high outside that one night. So it was really nice weather when we were there.

James O'Regan:
Oh yeah. Yeah. No, it can be, it can be like anywhere. It's it's changeable. But I suppose the thing you can have here, which we can have quite frequently is like it'll be sunny one minute, rain the next and then and we're in what, we're in April now. So April can be a bit changeable. We could, we could have hailstones or snow tomorrow like, you know, just never know.

Jarian Gibson:
So not too different from here to this time of year because we had the weirdest winter, like we were 70s one day and then we were like -30 the next day here, with the way the weather kept changing here. So some similar weather temperature wise and how the weather changes.

James O'Regan:
So yeah, it's just it's just unpredictable. That's it.

Jarian Gibson:
But let's go ahead and get right into it. For those who, uh, don't know you, James, tell us a bit about yourself and what you do about, Liquidware.

James O'Regan:
Sure. Okay. My name's James O'Regan. I have been in AUC for. Oh, I think it's nearly 19 years at this stage. I've done everything from, like everyone else, helpdesk, consultancy, architect, SE, and now product marketing. So I am responsible for the product marketing for two of our solutions at Liquidware. And they are Stratosphere UX and CommandCTRL. And just because, you know, I like to keep myself busy, I'm also our community lead. And we can talk a bit about that later as well. So that's the kind of brief, you know, I've as I said, I've met both of you in person. And I think, Patrick, you're going to be over in Europe in May?

Patrick Coble:
I'll be over there in Amsterdam in a little bit.

James O'Regan:
I will be there as well. So I look forward to catching up there. So. So, yeah. So. Yeah, I'm really delighted to do that. As you said, we were one of the founding partners of World of EUC. You know, we're very community focused at Liquidware. So, I'm really happy to have this opportunity to chat to you guys today.

Patrick Coble:
Yeah. I mean, you guys are the OG of founding partners and supporting.

James O'Regan:
Yeah, we're we're very proud of that.

Patrick Coble:
Anyone that was there can only be one first, you know, and.

James O'Regan:
Yes we yes indeed. Yeah. To quote Highlander there. Yeah. Exactly.

Patrick Coble:
Yeah. So but yeah. So if anyone doesn't know Liquidware because, you know, I mean, I have I should have got the hat before we did this, but I had the old Liquidware Labs hat. And it was a misspelling for like a synergy in 2018 or 19, somewhere in that range and it was pretty hilarious. So what does the Liquidware do in this unique space? What's a quick overview? Because I know you've got a couple products and a couple different pillars, but you know, let's just yeah.

James O'Regan:
Yeah I suppose. And that's one of the challenges we face in product marketing for Liquidware is because we have four different solutions. But to give a brief overview. Liquidware was founded in 2009 by David Bieneman. David Bieneman is our founder and is still on board as our CEO. Along, he had a previous company, which he brought on people, and the first solution released to market was Stratusphere UX. So as I said, we have four solutions. They are Stratusphere UX, which is our detailed analysis tool. It's like if you want to have the deepest metrics known to man about everything, whether that's log ons, log offs, anything, you know, display protocols, all of that kind of stuff. You know. I think we've pretty much would say we're unmatched when it comes to the level of metrics you can produce from Stratusphere. Then you have kind of ProfileUnity, which is our kind of our UEM solution. So it's all about managing profiles, desktops. And then also there is our application layering solution and that is FlexApp. And we've seen a real increase in demand around FlexApp recently I suppose, as you know, while App-V is not going away it there's no innovation happening with App-V. It's static. It's a server. Yeah. The server infrastructure is gone. You've got what you've got now. It's not being developed any further. You know, Microsoft wants you to move over to MSIX and you know what you've got. So so we're seeing a lot of companies, you know, coming on board with FlexApp and we've, you know, we've integrations with the likes of Microsoft and AVD app attach with Citrix into Studio, with hooks into Studio. And then we, you know, also have, our most recent solution, which is CommandCTRL.

James O'Regan:
So CommandCTRL is a SaaS based solution. So it's the first SaaS solution for Liquidware. It was launched at VM Explore in 2023. And it's a real time remediation solution. So our customers are coming to us and saying Stratusphere is amazing gives us all of this information, but I'd like to be able to do something. So CommandCTRL very much about, you know, reach out and touch fix an issue. The beauty of it is you don't have to initiate a remote session. You can do it all via the console. So that's kind of that's an overview of what we have. So as I said, it's really difficult from my perspective because we we have got this banner of digital workspace management because we think that's kind of all encompassing for for what we do as a company. But you can imagine myself and the rest of the product marketing team were like, ah, sometimes it'd be like, it'd be so much easier in some cases to have, one, one product. Because, you know, if you think about it, we, we then have four different competitors for each product. You know, we have a suite of competitors for each solution. So from a competitive analysis I'm like having to do it across the board. So yeah. But that's a kind of brief overview of what Liquidware do for, for anyone who's unaware.

Jarian Gibson:
And honestly too, if people don't know about Liquidware they might have been hiding under under a rock because you guys are kind of everywhere. You guys have been a long time supporters of the community, whether it's it's us at World of EC, whether it was CUGC, you know, seeing you at events like we just saw you at IGEL Now and Next, you guys are pretty much everywhere at all the events too as well. So hopefully people, you know, if they don't know or they didn't know everything you guys did, they do know now, but they at least should know about you guys out there because you guys are everywhere in the community.

James O'Regan:
Yeah. Yeah, we do try to get to as many events, you know, obviously, you know, like like every company, we have budget limitations, so we can't get to absolutely everything, but we get to the major ones that we feel are good for our focus. And you know, as you said, we're at IGEL Now and Next, we're at Gartner before that. And, we're going to be at NeridoCon next as well. So so yeah, we're definitely out there. And then, and then, you know, as we, we have a global presence as well. So we try and get to lots of stuff in Europe as well.

Jarian Gibson:
So you'll be seeing Patrick at NerdioCon also because he'll be there. I think you and Stephen will be there.

Patrick Coble:
Yep, yep. Me and Stephen will be at Nerdio Con. Yep.

James O'Regan:
Yeah. Jason and David will be will be at NerdioCon. I don't get that pleasure. I've already been to Palm Springs this year. We had our we had our sales kick off in Palm Springs this year. So that was nice because it was it was it was in early February. So I presume it's getting hotter and hotter. So I'm quite happy to, you know, not have to go to Palm Springs. It was warm enough for me. It was like 30°C there in February. And I'm like. And then the guy was telling me what it was like in the summer and I'm like, nope, I want no part of that whatsoever. Even with air conditioning, I still don't 40 or 50°C. No. Absolutely not. Not built for it. Look, I'm way too pale for that kind of weather.

Patrick Coble:
Agreed. I second that motion.

James O'Regan:
Yeah.

Jarian Gibson:
So you recently had, like, a launch and a blog about how you launched your secure intelligence, context aware application delivery. So can you tell us a little bit more about that?

James O'Regan:
Sure. I suppose what you're referring to there is, FlexApp One. FlexApp One is kind of, an containerized solution we have of FlexApp. So you could take your FlexApp apps, you can containerize them, and essentially you can deliver them to things like, you know, physical endpoints. And one of the beauties of it is it can it has you're able to utilize those applications even in offline mode. So if you're sitting on a plane, you can still access your applications. And from a security perspective, I suppose what we have is we've got integration with OAuth and Microsoft Entra ID, you know, so you've got your identikit. You have to identify yourself before you can activate the package. So it's all that kind of zero trust model. You know, the app is only launched when it's verified. And you know you can reduce the risk and maintaining compliance. So that's kind of, you know, how we do that whole zero trust thing around, around applications.

Patrick Coble:
Right? And I guess that's also an important part is when we talk about zero trust and just security in general, is that your application delivery, it being smart enough to figure out what's going on instead of just saying if you're in the blah app group, then you get blah app, right?

James O'Regan:
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

Patrick Coble:
Yeah.

James O'Regan:
Yeah. One of the big things with how we deliver applications, it's all about context awareness. So so, you know, determining when in what context you get that application. If I'm on a corporate environment, yes, we can deliver that application. If you're on, you know, the Wi-Fi and the coffee shop. No. You know, that kind of thing. So, so so yeah, I yeah, it's definitely more granular than just as you say, Patrick an Active Directory group.

Patrick Coble:
Totally. Which which I think is the most common. Right. Most common?

James O'Regan:
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. No. Absolutely. Most people that is how you know, I've done it myself in the past as well. You know, provision package or sequence these applications give it to that application group and then you know, but I suppose tools solutions have progressed. If you think back to, you know and ProfileUnity She definitely has because it has all that context awareness. And so you can be more granular in how it's kind of determined how you how you deliver that solution.

Patrick Coble:
Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean and it's going to keep changing, which is good. And you guys are continually innovating. And I mean, one of the things that's front and center on your website right now that y'all really kind of leaned into, I guess it feels like it's been like three ish years since the word DEX came out, of that digital workspace management and experience management. You know, let's let's dive into that a little bit because I think that's it's the on the front of your website for a reason. Right.

James O'Regan:
Yeah. Yeah. No, it absolutely is. So just in case anyone you know has is not aware. DEX is digital employee experience. So we as an industry as an end user computing have been monitoring and gathering data and all these kind of metrics. I suppose DEX is the next kind of evolution of that. Whereas I like to say, you know, we work in end user computing and, you know, there's the user word in there. So you know, they're actually getting some insight and input. Whereas we all know in the past you provisioned a desktop. It was locked down with group policies. And you your background nothing could you couldn't manage anything. And that's what we gave you. And IT departments were all about saying no. And and in many different ways. It was still the main point was they said no and users just don't accept that anymore. So we actually have to bear in mind what users say. So there has been a big influx of, you know, solutions in the DEX space. So while Liquidware does have DEX solutions, they are Stratusphere UX and CommandCTRL. We feel that if you think about it, your profile and your workspace are some of the biggest, you know, things that an employee interacts with. So that's why we say, and you know, bring your applications as well. So that's why we say we go beyond DEX because yes we do your your traditional DEX stuff, but we do all of the profile management and desktop management. And we can deliver the applications as well. And there is no end user experience if you don't have applications. So that's that's kind of why we have decided on the term to go beyond DEX.

Patrick Coble:
And I think that's important too, because I think DEX and what it kind of represents is like you've made it inside your VDI house or your physical workstation and your workspace, your apps, your profile is basically the kitchen, the bathroom, the couch and the TV, the things that actually you do in the house, versus just being there, you know? So I think it's important that we're monitoring and doing all those types of things.

James O'Regan:
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, it has evolved like, you know, we first started doing kind of providing user scores when Stratusphere came out. So, you know, Stratusphere has been in existence since 2009, and we've had to adapt to what we do. And, you know, the current version of Stratusphere UX contains, user sentiment surveys. So again, it's it's about getting that feedback from the end user and then having that information. And we've seen, you know, a lot of our customers and partners have really welcomed this feature. One of our partners was like, oh, this is brilliant. You know, if they're doing like a massive migration product project, they can immediately get input from that kind of test user group. Because they can because you can tailor the questions the way they want them, get that instant feedback, not have to send a bunch of emails or a spreadsheet or something. It's just a little you have different options. You can do a drop down, you can do a text box and get that feedback straight away, and then be able to determine what needs to change. So. So, yeah. Stratusphere, you know, lots of innovation going on in it. And, you know, the user sentiment surveys were just one of the one of them, you know, another one that came recently was log off breakdown. We've always done login breakdown, but we had demand from our customers that they wanted to have the same kind of granularity around log offs. So we started providing that. So so all the kind of features, you know, and it's, it's across Liquidware are influenced by what our customers are looking for. So, so that very much forms what we what ends up on our roadmap.

Jarian Gibson:
And that's good too that you say going beyond DEX because instead of just providing the data or the score or that kind of stuff, you actually have tools in your suite to actually be able to improve that and do something about it. And as you guys find things that are going through that with customers or just as your internal development, you can change that on the fly because you can control that all within your suite of applications. That's really good.

James O'Regan:
Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

Jarian Gibson:
You mentioned, CommandCTRL earlier, being one of your pillars. You're it's part of your going beyond DEX as well. You mentioned, you know, doing some remote style support stuff besides going to the console or are there any other use cases or are there any other ways customers are using it or anything you can tell us more about CommandCTRL?

James O'Regan:
Yeah, sure. Yeah. As I said, yeah, it's a real time remediation solution. So as I said, it was our first SaaS solution. So the thing around CommandCTRL is given it's SaaS, there's no infrastructure. You don't need anything. You deploy an agent, you give it an API key, it starts talking to the console straight away. It literally takes a minute to set it up. I've done it on multiple laptops here. And then that once you target that machine in the console, it refreshes the metrics every three seconds. So it gives you your basic stuff like CPU, RAM, memory, but it also gives you, you know, what's the percentage like on your battery? What's your Wi-Fi adapter? So all of those. And the really cool one of the cool things is it then has a suite of diagnostic tools built into it. So you can do traceroute, speed tests, all that kind of stuff. And then if you really want to get into it, we we have you can launch a PowerShell session. So anything you want to do in PowerShell just from the console, you don't have to initiate remote session. You're connected through and you have full power. So this is and then obviously Patrick's going that's great. But that's probably really scary as well. So so yeah I knew you were going. You were going there, Patrick. So, you know, one of the things we've done, which is very important in CommandCTRL, is we put full RBAC controls in place so you can decide what what? You know, if you're a help desk level one person doesn't need a PowerShell access, then you can cut that off and you can decide what access you give. I suppose one of the one of the real things about CommandCTRL and the use cases we've seen is, again, it's about that kind of cutting down those help desk tickets that, you know, that they're not just sitting there and you're able to kind of get in and resolve them fairly quickly because you you don't have to say, okay, I have to talk to this user at 3:00 pm today.

James O'Regan:
You can just go ahead in the background if you need to start and stop services. Obviously, you know, you can notify the user you're going to be doing this, but you don't have to interrupt them. So the end user is like, oh God, I was on the phone with support for like three hours. Now, obviously if we do need to do a remote session, we have that capability. But that's kind of the final troubleshooting step. We like to be able to do everything via the console. And what we've seen is also if you're in a migration scenario, you can reach out, you can check how things are going. And if you've got like, say, a VIP list, you could very easily just have those and be able to react quickly to their issues without them having to log a ticket or anything like that. So those are kind of some of the use cases we've seen for CommandCTRL. It's very much, also what we've seen and what we've done is we've integrated it with Stratusphere. So if you're in our individual views in Stratusphere, and you're looking at the metrics, you're like, oh, I'd like to see, you know, how this is looking in real time. And maybe I actually want there's something I want to do with that particular machine. There's a button within Stratusphere. It initiates, a session straight into CommandCTRL. And we now have, in as a bit of exclusive, coming in the next version of CommandCTRL, we have, you can do it from CommmandCTRL, you can access your Stratusphere hub. So we've got that bidirectional access. And then I suppose one of the other things that we, we, we found, customers really like is our DVR feature.

James O'Regan:
So what that is, is Stratusphere gathers data for years, essentially. CommandCTRL is limited to seven days. It's a SaaS platform. You don't want to be having all that data. So we limit it to seven days. But what you can do with that data on seven days is like a DVR. You can pick a point in time. You can see if an incident occurred at a particular point in time, pinpoint it, and then all the metrics on screen will show at that particular point in time. So you'll be able to go, okay, it looks like network spiked at this particular point in time, and then it helps you with that whole troubleshooting process. And end users. And our customers have told us that's been really useful to have that feature.

Jarian Gibson:
Do customers have the ability to export any of that data or bring it into like any other dashboards like Power BI or anything else from CommandCTRL?

James O'Regan:
Not at this moment in time. Like as I said, this product launched in August 2023, so the integrations are not quite, we're still working on developing the APIs and that for for the platform. You do have the ability to get the logs from CommandCTRL and export them, and you can do the same with Stratusphere. Yeah. You can gather logs from Stratusphere now with the next release and the same ProfileUnity, you can gather logs for that. So. So you can we will kind of extend that log gathering. Oh. And you can do it with, Windows Event Viewer as well. You can access that through it as well. So so yeah. But the plan will be to kind of like stratosphere build out that API integration for, for CommandCTRL. But as I said, we're trying to get the solution out there and building that kind of integration. It was more from a security perspective. It's particularly because it's a SaaS product. There's a lot involved in that. So so we didn't want to rush rush that. So.

Jarian Gibson:
You got kind of kind of kind of crawl, walk, run with that to make sure all the security checks are in place.

James O'Regan:
Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, there are a lot of our, our traditional Stratusphere customers would not necessarily given the sectors they operate in, like, you know, there's a lot of our a lot of Stratusphere running on airgapped systems. So they're not going to just suddenly allow CommandCTRL.

Patrick Coble:
ET phone home.

James O'Regan:
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah yeah. So so there's particular use cases, but we are seeing kind of a bit of traction with CommandCTRL in in kind of the financial vertical, which is the kind of the one you'd expect and that kind of thing.

Patrick Coble:
So and, and I think you're like development life cycle in that sense with CommandCTRL is probably right in line because your whole goal is to make sure that you're meeting customer needs and coming up, coming up with use cases. And I know the very first use case that brought me when I first learned about Liquidware, you know, years and years ago, uh, would have been Windows 7 migrations at that time. And now it's Windows 10 and Windows 11. And that's when Stratusphere was doing its thing to help us go like, two CPUs, three gigs of RAM. You're going to need 100 gig hard drive. And then you'd get the part of the report that was scary. You need to install 175 applications on this image. You're like, oh, no, this isn't going to work. So I know with Windows 11 coming on, I'm sure that's a very similar situation, especially on the hardware side, because I know we always have thought about I mean, I know for us, we always think about it just in the VDI space, but the physical device space is still a big play for you all and DEX and everything you do because you know you need to make that good computing experience, digital workspace experience, wherever they are, if they're on their computer before they get to VDI or they're on their thin client, and then they're getting into VDI and that's where the workspace starts. You know, how is Windows 11, Windows 10 migrations? Because now, you know, we thought we were going to be with Windows 10 forever and ever, but then we came out with 11. So now TPM.

James O'Regan:
There's rumors of 12. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's definitely a use case where we're seeing a lot of interest in because as you said, Patrick, there is a lot to Windows 11. Like there's a whole TPM and that kind of thing. You know, I have Windows 11 running on my own laptop here, but I did it through a hack. I hacked a registry and that's how I got around it. But, you know, I, I am not an enterprise with 20,000 laptops. I'm not going to put a registry hack across them, you know. So I suppose one of the things that we've really seen is because of the four different solutions, we make that migration process a lot, a lot more seamless, because if you're running, ProfileUnity, you can easily just migrate across from Windows 10 to Windows 11. But if you you know, if you're looking at, you know, you want to assess your hardware, your applications, then obviously you've got Stratusphere. So you can gather all that data. You can look at which applications are actually being used. And that's and that's a big use case for Stratusphere is like, oh, we have 200 licenses of say Visio. Oh look, ten of them are used. It's so, so it just helps you you can do that whole kind of assessment of it. And then as, as we talked briefly about, you know, CommandCTRL there. You can if you're going from one, you can do your comparison between the two with Stratusphere. And then if anyone's having any issues, you can reach out straight away, resolve those issues. And also with Stratusphere, you can utilize the when you're doing your migration process, you can utilize the end user surveys and get the feedback straight away.

James O'Regan:
And then obviously with if depending on what way your applications are, packaged, if they're App-V, you can, you know, if they're running, you could import them into ProfileUnity. That's one of the things we have. You can import App-V. We don't. It's ProfileUnity can support multiple different formats. Or if you want, we even have we can convert them. So. So, we kind of simplify that whole process and future proof for you. So it shouldn't matter that the next time you have to move to Windows 12, it should be so much easier. If you've got everything in ProfileUnity, then it's an easy change. And, it depends. It depends obviously, as well on the customer.

Patrick Coble:
That's it for all things, right?

James O'Regan:
Oh, absolutely. But you know yourself that how many times you've come across this thing. Oh, yeah. It should be a seamless process. You've got what it's you know, we've all we've all had those moments. I, I remember, I was working for a bank years ago and they had just been, outsourced to HP. And HP brought a team into doing assessment. And, they came into our section. I was working in the ATM section at the time, and there was this machine under a desk, and this person asked me, what, what does it do? And I said, don't touch it, don't. And he said, what is it? We've just been told, don't touch it. And it turns out it was a system that was running Windows 3.1 and was really important to the ATM network. And yeah, so so these are the things that you can come up with during migrations is, are these type of systems that are critical. And. But essential. So. So, yeah. I think I think my great I, I'm not going to say they're getting easier, but I think they are getting a little bit easier because as we have all these different technologies where you can, you know, seamlessly move across to the hardware thing, I think is the biggest issue, especially with Windows 10 to Windows 11. I don't think it's the applications. I think the applications will run. If they ran on Windows 10, they're like, they will run on Windows 11. It's the hardware side of things. And I think, you know, um, when when you see that I have a well, that's pretty old now, but I have like a, I think it's a 5 or 6 year old, Dell XPS, it can't run legally.

James O'Regan:
It can't run Windows 11 like so, at a time when we're supposed to be seeing increased sustainability, it feels like Microsoft is kind of, you know, I think they've made some missteps here with with it and with the restrictions they've placed on it. But then that opens doors for, for some of our other partners as well on in the thin client world as well. And, you know, even Microsoft even have their own thin client as we know. Sorry. No, no, it's not thin client. Not like all the Windows link. Yes. So. Oh. Oh, sorry, guys. I kicked something and I lost everything.

Jarian Gibson:
You're fine. You're still here. So we can keep rolling.

James O'Regan:
Okay, good.

Jarian Gibson
It's funny you mention that too, because in my consulting days, I had those things too, where I was doing assessments and designs and upgrades and the whole thing with that homegrown app that no one knows how to do anything with. The person's gone from the company. It's running like Metaframe 1.8, and so don't touch it. Just leave it until they can build a new app. So yeah, that brings back memories. And then too, you mentioned about the hardware. So I have like the first edition of the Surface Laptop sitting here right now, and I can't legally upgrade it either as well. But you're right about the whole sustainability thing. And that's you made a good point about having those thin client partners, especially the ones that can repurpose these into, devices to to get that help with the longevity and sustainability of it as well. You know, you kind of touched there on ProfileUnity, how it can kind of help with the auto migration to, Windows 11 from Windows 10 and be able to import the App-V apps. I also see that you have Imprivata and Microsoft AVD on top of that. Anything else about those integrations or any other ones that, that you want the users or listeners to know about?

James O'Regan:
Yeah, yeah, I suppose the big one like, which we're really, really proud of, was that last year at Ignite, it got announced that, we were part of the AVD app attach program. So for in case people don't know, is essentially, Microsoft reached out to several partners, including Liquidware, and said, look, we're looking to get customers onto AVD. We realized that MSIX is getting there, but we need to kind of utilize different partners to kind of get more customers on board. So so what we've done is we're now integrated into the into AVD app attach so that you can take your your FlexApp applications and get them into your AVD session. So you know, as we've seen with the industry, AVD is growing exponentially day by day. If we if we just look at, you know, our one of our one of our partners Nerdio look, look at their billion dollar, what was the thing.

Jarian Gibson:
Evaluation?

James O'Regan:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Their valuation, that's, that's the term I was looking for. So, so you know, we're we're very proud of that one. We've also got integration with Citrix Web Studio. So again hooks in pull in those applications straight into Citrix. So, so two of the biggest VDI vendors out there. So so you know, who would have thought Microsoft as a VDI vendor a couple of years ago? It just shows how things have changed so dramatically is that, you know, I know you could talk about Gartner Magic Quadrant and they're at the top. But like in my world, it was Citrix. And that was so, you know, RDS was the platform we all we all ran on and whatever flavor of Microsoft OS underneath. But for them to actually launch, you know, so I think that's that's been a real game changer. And as I said, that's when we're really proud of to to be involved with that program.

Patrick Coble:
And, and I think that's your big thing because I mean FlexApp and its integration into Intune and Citrix and Abd and all that is super important.

James O'Regan:
Yeah. Yeah. No, FlexApp is.

Patrick Coble:
A most common thing because you know SCCM used to be and obviously SMS and you know and then Altiris and all the other things used to be the things, but Intune is pretty much also been taking over that device management role, which now means it's also in charge of that app management role, which then FlexApp can integrate with and make your life even easier with both of them, you know?

James O'Regan:
Yeah, yeah. FlexApp is definitely the product we're seeing the biggest sales in. You know, it's really flying it. We've seen a lot of demand for it. And I think again, with these integrations that, you know, that that shows why it is kind of leading in its category is, is because of those integrations and the demand for it. And, you know, because of where we are with other app formats that that, you know, they're not they're getting there. But customers are kind of looking, well, I need something long term now. I can't I can't wait. And you know, we're not seeing, we're not seeing, you know, software vendors, packaging MSIX, you know, so so they're not getting on board in the way. But as I said, you know, we're very much supporters of what Microsoft are doing. Hence we're part of that app attach program.

Jarian Gibson:
So yeah, it's always interesting to see when Tim Mangan out there, releases more data on app attach and success and, adoption of it as well, and so forth. And I know he, he shared a session last year with, with Jason and then also with, what's, going blank now. One of the Omnissa guys about App Volumes.

James O'Regan:
Oh, Jeff.

Jarian Gibson:
Jeff. Yes. Thank you. Jeff Ulatoski. They had a nice session at EUC World Independence about that, too. So it's good to see all this collaboration in the app management space as well from, you know, from Tim doing his, kind of like, independent style stuff and then just partners coming together to, you know, educate users out there at events also.

James O'Regan:
Yeah, yeah. Like I very much in favor of collaborating with other vendors and we do a lot of it. And, you know, this world's too small. I'm not I'm not getting into beefs with people or any of that nonsense. It's, uh, you know, it's too small. We all know each other. So, I think I think, you know, even if there's, like, if you think of a category like DEX, it the more players, you know, if if there is anything that kind of evolves, the industry is good for us all. And that's that's what you know. And it causes all the more competition, causes more, you know, we innovate more. That's that drives our innovation across the board. So I welcome it. And it's good to see that things are evolving. And you know hopefully You know, we are getting, now there is you know, unfortunately, there is still a lot of complexity in the things we do. It might look from the, you know, from an end user perspective, it might put those, those, puppeteers in the background. There's there's a hell of a lot going on. And I suppose, I think you said it before when you were on my podcast and you said you'd hate to be starting out as a consultant now because, like, it used to be, we had Citrix, we had VMware. Now we have all these vendors and it's just there's so much to learn and there's so much diversity. And we're seeing, you know, obviously we're seeing things like all these kind of, browser based solutions as well, which are coming into the fore. And because of what's happened with Citrix and VMware, there is that kind of space.

James O'Regan:
So I think we're in an evolution of what's going on in EUC. And, you know, the biggest winners so far have been from Microsoft.

Jarian Gibson:
Well, Microsoft holds all the keys because they control the one of the biggest office suites out there that everyone use. They control the OS that the majority uses. Yes, there is Linux apps and there's Linux desktops for some use cases, but Microsoft's the you know, the king right now of all that space. So you know they they kind of hold all the keys.

James O'Regan:
Exactly. And you know, they've they've got their two offerings in, you know, they've got AVD and then they've Windows 365, which is, you know, is changing and evolving. And if you think about the Windows Link device, I talked to Christiaan Brinkhoff and, obviously when it came out, everyone was saying, why is AVD not supported on it? And I asked him, when I was talking to him and he said, well, some of the features within Windows 365, such as their switch functionality, that just doesn't work in AVD. So that's the reason it is locked down to Windows 365, but at the same. So, you know, that's that's one innovation. You know, we've now had Microsoft launch, one Amazon AWS launch. I think it's like a couple of years ago, you know, even we were changing, to, you know, going back to desktops and all these things seem to be cyclical and, you know. Yeah, yeah. So, so, but I suppose, yeah, there's lots of innovation going on. That's that's the great thing, I think.

Patrick Coble:
Yeah. The simple thing is just wait a couple of years, it'll change.

James O'Regan:
Absolutely.

Patrick Coble:
And just 2 or 3 now, not 5 or 10.

James O'Regan:
Well yeah. And or AI it's a week.

Patrick Coble:
Yeah.

James O'Regan:
So.

Patrick Coble:
Yeah.

James O'Regan:
Yeah. So, so that's that's the big thing I suppose is, is, is what, what is AI's impact going to be on our industry. You can already see it. So, you know, give it a, give it another year or so and wow. It'll be exciting, but I suppose that's that's why we're all in EUC. Because there is so much evolution and change. Like, if you want to, if you want things to stay static, don't get into EUC. It's never it's never happening. It's always changing. You know, even from the first time I started out to now. And obviously things like AI accelerate that rate of change so much more. So. So I think, you know, we are going to see some very big changes within our space very soon.

Jarian Gibson:
I like what you said to you about, you know, other solutions out there. And, you know, there's room for everyone out there, whether, you know, technology wise and, competition drives innovation, you know, and then whether it's even technology or community, it's like we're all friends here. It's like there's no reason to have any kind of issues. It goes back to that old saying that rising tides floats all boats. Right?

James O'Regan:
So exactly.

Jarian Gibson:
Yeah. So I like how you said that. And then too, I know as far as, uh, monitoring, we talk about Stratusphere UX. I know in the past, that's my, my first experience with Liquidware is using it for assessments. I know some of my coworkers now use it for assessments and customers as well. I see you have like a ServiceNow and Power BI integrations. Any other integrations out there you're doing with Stratusphere or any new features coming up that you can kind of give us another exclusive on?

James O'Regan:
Well, I suppose the thing with Stratusphere and I'm going to talk about two particular things which people might not be aware of. So, so Stratusphere has a built in API builder. So you can build your API and then attach it to whatever you want. So it's not just limited, but we, we because of kind of where ServiceNow is across the industry, we decided to take it a bit further and we built a whole integration kit around ServiceNow. Power BI, gives you the power to kind of, get the data and get it into the format you want for graphs and that. And we're seeing lots of customers do that. So those were two key ones. In terms of further integrations. Nothing I can talk about at the moment. There is some. So the latest, next version of Stratusphere is due out later this year. There is some new stuff. As I said, we've always done, really extensive metrics, and we're going to take that again and go further with that to kind of capture where we are with the industry. And that's all I can say about that at the moment. But, yeah, yeah. I suppose the other thing to mention the API builder is, you know, it's built into Stratusphere. It's not there's no fee or add on cost to it. It's all built in and you can build your API and it's really you don't even need to be a coder to, to do it. It's drag and drop what you want. And then you can give that to your database guy or your application guy, and they can run that API and pull in the data into whatever solution. So. So it's a kind of across the board.

James O'Regan:
The other one. And it kind of goes back to, what we were talking about in, you know, there is a sustainability, but also that it can be around cost saving is, built into Stratusphere is a thing called optimizer. So optimizer essentially looks at all your individual machines and the processes, and it doesn't throttle them, but it does set priority on them. And what we found with optimizer is essentially what you can do is extend the life of your hardware. So, and we've seen anything from 16 to 18 months. So and then, you know, you can assess what you're going to do next. But I suppose I just want to highlight that because I'm not sure everyone's aware of optimizer. And it's a really cool feature within Stratusphere.

Jarian Gibson:
I like that.

Patrick Coble:
Yeah. That's cool. What are some of the, you know, we always talk about it like the. It depends, but sometimes there's, like the aha moments in it when someone tries a new thing or uses it for a specific use case, and it's like, this is the coolest thing since sliced bread. What's some of the things that you've seen because you've been so, at the front of community, and seeing this and probably hearing all kinds of cool stories, what's some of the cool things that Liquidware between some of those different products have solved for people? That was like, wow.

James O'Regan:
I did have one recently. One of our nurses told me this story and it's really cool. So he had a customer, they were using another solution, and it was a cloud based solution for monitoring, and they had an incident and the data didn't transfer to the cloud. So at that particular point in time, they did not have that data. So I think they were using one. I think they were using ProfileUnity at the time. So they reached out to us. They said, we know you have this, can you help us out? So we installed Stratusphere, got it up and running, and we're able to determine I think it was about this was a Friday afternoon. Within about three hours, we determined what was the actual issue we issued. And we told the customer what was the resolution. And then they said, okay, we just need to verify this with Microsoft. They went back to Microsoft. And then I suppose that was a big one for me, because it just shows how much data that Stratusphere. And when you actually analyze that data, you can really pinpoint what things are happening. So and I've gone, oh yeah, we have loads of metrics, but it's when you really get into Stratusphere and see how much data it captures, it's insane. And I suppose that was a big one, obviously. From my point of view. CommandCTRL. We brought it to market in August 2023. When it was just after, you know, I joined in December 2022, it was my first product launch. So it was a really cool solution to launch. And, you know, we spoke earlier about AI and, um, I suppose one of the things we look for at Liquidware is we're not going to just integrate AI for the sake of it.

James O'Regan:
So one of the use cases we decided was we have a task manager view within command control. So you know yourself, it lists all the tasks, all the kind of processes that are running. And you're like, sometimes you go, what on earth is that thing? Yeah. That says, I don't know what that is. Is that, you know, malware. What is it? So instead of having to go launch a web browser, potentially take going to a site which contains malware, you can just click there's a little icon and it has integration, which at GPT and it gives you all the information about that process instantly on the screen gives you the name of the process, you know, who it's by, and a brief description. So we found and what we do is also so you have to have your own ChatGPT subscription for it. But what we do is we pool all the results for 90 days. So there shouldn't be any you shouldn't really use any tokens because we should have it all pooled with on the platform. So that was one case. And then, you know, any kind of other advancements with AI were kind of we're looking at what is going to provide value to our customers. You know, as I say a lot. You know, I don't really want an AI enabled toaster. So.

Patrick Coble:
Yeah, some things just need to be simple.

James O'Regan:
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. If if we're going to provide value, then we'll implement AI, in our solutions. And we are looking at it obviously. But, you know, that particular use case we felt like. How often have you been in task manager and gone? I don't know what that process is, and it's going to take me ages, whereas I can just straight away find out what it is. Oh, that's, you know, a Microsoft update process. Of course it is. Or it's part of Defender, which is more likely to be what it is. And it's oh, why is that hogging all the CPU? Because it's defender. So yeah.

Jarian Gibson:
Yeah, that's very handy. And I know, my coworkers on the services side, speaking of the data that that Stratusphere brings in and how much you can get, they use it a lot when a customer is migrating over to Nutanix. Or if there is an issue after deployment, or, you know, we don't get all the, all the proper data up front. And so they're going and use that like, oh, you know, this has changed. This has changed. This has changed from your sizing. Here's the data to show that either you need to go back to this original sizing or when you look at adjusting your environment. So there's a lot of good data in Stratusphere.

James O'Regan:
Yeah, yeah. And migration is definitely one of the most common use cases for for that if you're, as you said in your case, if it's like you're going from standard hardware to Nutanix and you want to do a side by side comparison, you have that capability of doing it. And we really see that. Or if you're going from, you know, on prem to cloud, so or you're just going from on prem to on prem, you know, it doesn't make a difference. I suppose that's that you talked about the real aha. You know, wow moments. One of the I suppose the really great things is you know we're completely platform agnostic. We don't care. Um, we will run on pretty much everything if it runs Windows, we, we, we're, we're good with that. And then some of the solutions obviously if you think about Stratusphere and CommandCTRL support Mac and Linux as well. So so I suppose that that I suppose. Yeah. The real thing was kind of the the breadth of what we do was, was the big one for me, because it is kind of pretty hard to encapsulate what we do. And I suppose that digital workspace management works for us because it is a whole suite of solutions we provide.

Jarian Gibson:
So we mentioned community a little bit and how active Liquidware is in the community. And we know, you know, over the past couple of years, there've been a lot of changes in the community which has sparked us to launch World of EUC. Liquidware to launch their community as well. And we've seen communities some have changed, you know, some have gone away. New ones are coming up and starting, kind of tell us about look where community and then also your thoughts on how community has changed, you know, over the past couple of years.

James O'Regan:
Sure. Well, I suppose with Liquidware community, it was it was an idea I had. Once I knew I was joining Liquidware, I had a look at what they had, and I thought, oh, we can do this better, and we can get more interaction. So I set about forming it. We launched oh, we launched in August actually of 2023 as well. So I was busy then. Yeah, it was busy month. Yeah, yeah. But but I suppose the thing I wanted to do was, you know, I've always been very community focused in what I do. I was a CUGC leader for, for years in Ireland before, you know, that got. Well, that ended essentially. So. So, yeah, I've always been community focused and, you know, I have to give a shout out to Doug Brown because he inspired me to do it, because he had done it at IGEL, and we had worked together at IGEL for three years. So, uwhen I came on board at Liquidware, I was like, I'd like to do this. And I think, you know, I'm not saying we're at the scale of of what Doug built at IGEL because, you know, they've just passed 13,000 members. You know, we're not we're not going to hit that. But I'm very happy where we're at. And we are growing progressively. I suppose one thing to, to put a plug out is, for the month of April, what we're doing is we have a competition for anyone who's a member, and we have a LEGO set. It's, a replica of The Office, the TV show. So if you want, if you sign up in the month of August or month of April or you're already a member, there will be a draw at the end of April for this LEGO set.

James O'Regan:
So I'm looking at different ways to attract members. But I suppose the really great thing I think about our community is you can post something and you'll get a response from David, who is our CEO, Jason, our CTO, our PMs for our solutions, our SMEs. Everyone from Liquidware is on there. And I was deliberate in that, that I really wanted that kind of I didn't want it to just be a few key people. I wanted them all to be there. And, you know, in fairness, David and Jason are two of the most active members on there. And, you know, we had our we had an award ceremony at our school this year and we, you know, Jack, who's our SME for FlexApp, got an award for the most contributions. So. So we are seeing our team use it and we are getting good feedback about it. I see you joined recently. So yeah Patrick I don't know if you're on there.

Patrick Coble:
I don't know if I am.

Patrick Coble:
I thought I did, but it may have been a bit ago.

James O'Regan:
Well, you have to go check that out then. Yeah.

Patrick Coble:
Yeah. I need to refresh.

James O'Regan:
Yeah, I suppose it's it's a way of sharing everything we have going on with, with a particular group. And, you know, it's all like anything. It's divided into channels around the solutions. There's just a general chat one as well. So. So I think it just helps. I suppose what I've seen is I've seen people get responses to problems and get them resolved, because they're talking to the people who built these things, you know. They're not talking. Our support team are absolutely fantastic, and some of them are on there as well. But you're getting access to our PMs or, you know, people have asked questions about what's on our roadmap and we've shared what we can. So so it's kind of, you know, if you have a question for for anyone at Liquidware, you will get a response there probably quicker than you will to an email. So, I think it's a I think it's a testament to the, the way the company is that we are that open that David, who is our CEO, who's a, you know, extremely busy person will be on there and will answer questions. And, you know, he goes to community events. He, he, he, he was at, you know, I think he was at World of EUC last year. So, you know, yeah, I think that's kind of where, where the organization is. It's always been very community focused and we support what we can. Um, I know, I know, we we As I said, we've been the founding partner for yourselves. And I suppose that's that's what's changed with community is, you know, the likes of World of EUC has come on board. You know, the, the British user group has converted over to EUC Forum.

James O'Regan:
Irish user group is now EUC Ireland. Dutch is still a Dutch Citrix User Group because they've always been independent. So they keep that list. But they are essentially they've broadened. Everyone has broadened their horizons. And I suppose it the way I look at it now is I think it's a good thing because we're not limited to just talking about Citrix anymore or those things in the Citrix kind of sphere. We can remember the first EUC Ireland in Dublin. We had, a guy from Microsoft and he was talking about Copilot. That's the first time we've had something like, you know, so it just I, you know, I gave a session at EUC Forum in London. It was the first AI session. I've done the same at E2EVC, and we've, you know, so it's really kind of I think it's, it's evolving the community to, to give us a wider kind of focus.

Patrick Coble:
Yeah. And I mean, and I think that's important too, because as we talk about community, with these times be changing so fast, I think community is probably more important than ever to join these things. Get on Slack, use your words or or just listen and learn and just read because so much is changing and you're most likely depending on where you're at in your IT career and your nerd life, someone's going to say, hey, you might want to kick the tires of this thing. We just saw this. We just got the quote for this. We need to maybe look at that. Hy, have you ever even heard of this? So staying sharp on all those things with our change drastically changing VDI times and EUC times I think is even more important now than it's ever been, because there's so many solutions, so many things that can help make your life easier if you can, you know, get some Liquidware products that can make your profiles better, your migration better, your user experience, your monitoring all that, and then be able to have time to do the other things that you're supposed to do. Because most of us only have, you know, 1 to 72 jobs, at one job. Yeah. So, yeah.

James O'Regan:
And I suppose, I suppose the other thing around community and I'm going to give it a plug here is, for CommandCTRL. We have a community edition, so you can sign up and get access to that. Same with our other applications or other solutions. You can sign up on our website and get like 25 licenses for CommandCTRL. You're you know, you're limited to five machines, but that's because it's a SaaS platform. But that's, you know, that's open ended. It doesn't end after a year, you know, you can have that. So if you want to go kick the tires and CommandCTRL. Just go to Liquidware. CommandCTRL and you'll be able to access the trial. So.

Patrick Coble:
Yep.

James O'Regan:
But yeah, I think I, I think I like where community is going. I like that it has a broader focus. It gives kind of scope. And we've seen it across the, you know, we've seen it changes up. You know, you were speaking at E2E. E2E has changed. There's now there was, I think in the last one in November, they had, we had a, an AI stream. So there was four different sessions around AI. So it does allow you to kind of get away from that kind of, be more broad in what you're looking at. And I think it's exciting. And I think, you know, I suppose it's great that we now are getting having more and more in-person events as well, because I don't think there's there's nothing beats meeting in person, you know, all the kind of virtual stuff. The Slack stuff is great. Doing podcasts, webinars that's all great, but the in-person stuff is really fantastic and E2E is going to be my next one and I can't wait for it. So, yeah.

Patrick Coble:
And and I think we'll we're going to keep running into each other a couple more times. Each of us on the World of EUC team and your team a couple more times this year between all the in-person events and all that stuff, too. So it's it'll be it's going to be fun. Yep.

James O'Regan:
Looking forward to it.

Jarian Gibson:
And so you said earlier that, you know, you guys just came off of IGEL Now and Next your, your team is going to be at NerdioCon. Next, you're going to be upcoming at, E2EVC coming up too as well. Are there any big announcements or anything that you want to share from IGEL Now and Next?

James O'Regan:
Yeah, sure. I suppose the biggest one was so CommandCTRL, was very much, we focused on Windows and Mac at launch, and we now support IGEL clients. So IGEL OS 12 I have to say, because that's, you know, that utilized the app as opposed to. The firmware. And it was easier to build a, you know, an app for that. So yeah, that's one of the big things which was announced at the show. And, you know, we kind of just reinforced what we've always said with our very long term partnership with IGEL. You know, if you're looking at, doing an assessment of hardware and that and you're looking to make that move either due to Windows 11 or just, looking at, how long you can kind of keep that hardware going. You know, we do that full assessment and then you can look at migrating to something like OS. So I suppose we've just reinforced what we've always done. And then, you know, CommandCTRL is we've extended this what it supports, I suppose, you know, and one of the cool things is, is obviously it's not just showing those metrics. It's again, it's kicking off a Linux prompt as well so you can have that interaction with it. It's not just all the kind of remediation stuff that we can do on Windows and Mac are now extended to, to IGEL and other thin client OSes coming very soon as well.

Patrick Coble:
Ooh, I like that.

James O'Regan:
Yeah yeah yeah yeah. So yeah, I think, it's going to be an exciting year for, for Liquidware. We've, we've got some really cool stuff coming. That, yeah, I think we'll, we'll surprise some people. So. Yeah.

Jarian Gibson:
Any, as you close things down, any closing remarks from from you, Patrick?

Patrick Coble:
No, no, I mean, for me, I know it's been amazing since, you know, 2009 and ten to see how much the company has grown and the and the avenues that you have picked to go down, that make you see nerds life easier. And then the users, happier, which I think is also very important and sometimes overlooked. And I'm just excited to see what the next thing is because it just keeps coming up. And the relevance of everything you're doing is just increasing, especially with everything else changing. You've been a good, you know, kind of solid foundation in the community and as a product in the EUC space of being that kind of like one stop shop. If you need your EUC solution to be more better, there's going to be things that you're going to be able to provide to help people out. And that's what I've always liked watching.

James O'Regan:
Yep.

Jarian Gibson:
Any closing remarks from you? Oh go ahead James.

James O'Regan:
Yeah. No, I was just going to say, yeah, I think I think there's always something we can help with. When it comes to our solutions, you know, we will continue to innovate what we do and we will continue to support community going forward as well. And, you know, I look forward to seeing as many people as possible over the rest of the year in person as well as online. And as you know, just to mention, as I said, we do have Liquidware community. We have that brilliant prize for April. So sign up. You know, you have the same chance as anyone else of winning it. And, you know, also make sure you're signed up for World of EUC as well.

Jarian Gibson:
Thank you. And we'll make sure that we have links, in the blog post and in when we as we post the podcast as well to the websites and also to the community piece on the website as well about signing up. So thank you today, James, for joining us. Really appreciate it. We also really appreciate all the support from from Liquidware. You guys have been a great, founding partner for us. You know, jumped on early, came back this year, supported EUC Independence last year. We will be seeing you at EUC World Amplify in August this year. So really appreciate the the support and everything. For those of you listening the Frontline Chatter Podcast, make sure that you sign up on, the site. That way you can get, news about webinars our podcast, events, and so forth. Also, make sure you sign up on the, IGEL, not IGEL, i'm thinking about Now and Next, the Liquidware community as well. And again, we'll include information for that. Subscribe, like the podcast. This will be out there on your apps and also the video on YouTube along with the blog post. I also want to say thank you to all of our sponsors for their continued to support, our founding partners 10ZiG, Goliath Technologies, IGEL, Liquidware, Omnissa, Nerdio, Nutanix, our channel sponsor, Choice Solutions, our new core sponsors this year, Google and Parallels as well. So thank you everyone for supporting us. Again, thank you, James, and thank you for all the support. Thank you for listening to the Frontline Chatter Podcast, and we will talk to you next time.

Patrick Coble:
Woo hoo!

James O'Regan:
Thanks very much.

Patrick Coble:
Thank you all.